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afterburn · 06-10-2008, 12:23 PM

Really,

Why are the *nix groups making a version?
Why does a version already created by MS run on OSX and BSD?

karthimx · 06-13-2008, 05:40 AM

You cannot view the PHP source code by selecting "View source" in the browser - you will only see the output from the PHP file, which is plain HTML. This is because the scripts are executed on the server before the result is sent back to the browser.

afterburn · 06-13-2008, 09:17 AM

huh?

that is with any language

putts · 07-17-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by karthimx

You cannot view the PHP source code by selecting "View source" in the browser - you will only see the output from the PHP file, which is plain HTML. This is because the scripts are executed on the server before the result is sent back to the browser.

What Burner said.....

All Server Side Scripting languages are designed around the premise of using script to create HTML output dynamically.

Pros for each:

PHP

Cheap
Runs mainly on *nix boxes and Apache which offers certain features like mod_rewrite out of the box that many web developers like not to mention that Unix > MS Dos so the system itself has better processing capabilities
Great Web community......you can find pretty much anything you need for PHP/mySQL all over the web
It's not MS. Probably it's biggest selling feature because it's ingrained in all CS programmers by the programming elitist that MS is evil
Integrated tightly with mySQL which reduces much of the technical knowledge a developer needs to be able to interact with the database back-end

.NET

Can build applications much faster than with PHP
Probably 5X more jobs exist for .NET than for PHP (or any other language)
Similar to PHP's built in mySQL support, You can do a lot in .NET without really knowing a lot about Databasing
OOP-based insistance leads programmers to correct more reusable code along with all the other advantages of OOP
Multiple Languages are supported as opposed to PHP which is just designed around the PHP language
Full-featured. Meaning that they had thousands of developers looking (and still looking) over the product and have pretty much anything any developers could ever want (whether they know it or not)

Of course, those are just some but they are the ones that stand out to me.

Personally, there's just flat out more jobs in .NET than anything else so if you plan on having a career as a programmer, .NET is your best bet.
Also, there's just SOOOOO many things that if someone comes up to .NET developer and says "I need this and that, when can you have it to me?" their answer is going to be way less than a PHP or ASP developer simply because of the power of the .NET framework. It's not even a question about which developer is the better programmer.......if I give you a pair of scissors and someone else an electric shaver and tell you 2 to race and see who can shave the quickest, it won't be a contest. The toolset for the other guy is just too great to overtake.....no matter how good you are at shaving.

AnthonyDamasco · 07-17-2008, 11:13 AM

I'm an Open Source guy. Recently there has been a huge spike in job opening for PHP programmers in NYC. I think It's best to know both, however I am a php fan. There is a ever growing community of people trying to not use microsoft's software and languages. That is why PHP is so popular.

Websites made using php:
Youtube,
Facebook,
Wikipedia
yahoo
google

Don't take php lightly, It's in extremely high demand - and as the community for php grows, so will the features

afterburn · 07-17-2008, 11:22 AM

google isn't only made with php;

sites made with .net framework

dell
myspace
monstor
newegg
lego

AnthonyDamasco · 07-17-2008, 12:00 PM

Dood! I want to make a .NETPHP website O.o -->, it would be unstoppable!

I'll call it.... gohoo.com - 10 times bigger than facebook - 400 times more traffic than digg.

I have to keep this idea secret...

>.>
<.<

putts · 07-18-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyDamasco

There is a ever growing community of people trying to not use microsoft's software and languages.

Lots of individual people, yes.

Lots of large corporations, no.

It just doesn't make sense in a corporate environment where a few hundred dollars is not a large chunk of change to not invest in .NET and get .NET developers when it is so much more efficient than PHP.

You will always be able to find a bunch of programmers in any CS circle who hate M$......but try to sell a company on a language that takes twice as long to develop in

Vege · 07-18-2008, 05:51 PM

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but try to sell a company on a language that takes twice as long to develop in

I would argue that it's actually faster to develop in PHP as it is ment for fast script writing.
Maintainability imho is the .NET best part.

forlamp · 07-19-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by putts

Are you looking to learn something as a means of a long-term career? Then go .NET.

Incorrect. This may apply in a strict web-development company that is focused on web development as their primary service.

However, on the flip side there are MANY large appliance corporations (Cisco, Sophos, Layer7, etc) that build "appliances" on [1-4]U servers, and run RHEL w/ a Web service powered by PHP or JSP. There are also a handful of online services that use PHP as their back end. (Gaiaonline for example uses a REST+PHP interface for their web services.)

In fact silicon valley is starving for PHP devs right now as you can find intermediate to senior positions starting at $110k/yr, I've seen some salaries as high as $130k in the SF area. That's comparable to NYC salaries for PHP dev's as well.

When you are 'manufacturing' appliances on a large scale it would be a large price difference if you were to include the cost of the license for a windows server setup on the machine. I haven't looked at Windows Server licensing recently but from what I remember they even require you to License the number of users that will be using the machine.

Both languages have their pro's and con's, and both languages can perform just as well with optimizers and byte code compilers thrown into PHP's ammunition.

forlamp · 07-19-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vege

I would argue that it's actually faster to develop in PHP as it is ment for fast script writing.
Maintainability imho is the .NET best part.

With the maturing of PHP frameworks and development methodologies PHP is gaining some ground on it's maintainability.

Vege · 07-19-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by forlamp

With the maturing of PHP frameworks and development methodologies PHP is gaining some ground on it's maintainability.

As mentioned earlier, thats what PHP people have been talking for few years now, nothing new really has happened.

putts · 07-21-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vege

I would argue that it's actually faster to develop in PHP as it is ment for fast script writing.
Maintainability imho is the .NET best part.

Vege, watch a pro .NET developer whip up a web-based database in a matter of minutes and then you'll understand.

PHP and ASP, in my mind, are on the same level when it comes to coding time. I'm a pretty darn good ASP developer and I would not even think of arguing about ASP being even 1/2 as fast as .NET........and that is with all my prebuilt functions that do form validation, form processing and datasheet-style input form creation. There is no comparison and you'll probably never fully understand that until you learn .NET.

forlamp,
Do a Monster search in almost any place but Silicon valley and then come back to me with numbers and I'll listen. I've done the searches...I've seen the results.... both ASP and .NET are in higher demand in corporate America than PHP. It's not as efficient and it doesn't have the name power behind it that corporations want as the backbone to their Intranets.

Hehehehe....to further the point, Firefox's spelling dictionary knows about ASP and .NET but apparently not PHP

AnthonyDamasco · 07-21-2008, 09:51 AM

I'm in NYC, and PHP is in much higher demand then .NET

putts · 07-22-2008, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyDamasco

I'm in NYC, and PHP is in much higher demand then .NET

Monster.com search for .NET in New York City and surrounding areas returned 437 results

Same search for PHP returned 204.

I'm not sure what your idea of "much higher" is but I dont think that's it