No?

[Disturbed]

No programing forums, like C++ and Visual basics? I'm just wondering why

[Horus_Kol]

HTML Forums...

[ascskate]

HTML Forums...
good answer ;)

[Disturbed]

What! Really! I didn't notice :P

[erisco]

good answer ;)

Bad answer. If these are HTML forums, why are there so many forums other than the HTML / XHTML forum?

Now if someone wants to turn around and say "well the rest of the forums can be related to websites"... I'll turn around and say, any programming language is just as part of websites server-side as any other programming language. Ever heard of the CGI?

Perhaps a CGI forum?

[Horus_Kol]

CGI - you mean server side programming and PHP and ASP/ASP.net?

VB and C++ and all that aren't here because, while they may be used in web development and technology, this is a very small occurrence...

[ascskate]

CGI - you mean server side programming and PHP and ASP/ASP.net?

VB and C++ and all that aren't here because, while they may be used in web development and technology, this is a very small occurrence...
thats why i said good answer

[erisco]

Horus_Kol, I'd like to see some sort of statistical evidence. Perhaps it is indeed a smaller portion than say PHP or ASP (.NET) would be, but there is no denying that there are not unpopular forums already in existance.

Look under SERVER ADMINISTRATION, PROMOTION & COMMERCE, some rather less-used forums yet still made available. I am not saying a specific forum for C++ or VB, or even both together, but I did propose a more general idea of a CGI type of forum. As Server-Side Languages is fine and dandy, those topics would currently land there, but the CGI is really a different deal on its own and is still used and still recognized.

[nox-Hand]

I must say, Linux has very little to do with HTML - apart from Apache, which is also a Windows version :-)

Maybe an off-topic questions subforum? :P

[afterburn]

The real reason C++ and VB aren't in the forums is what Horus stated.

C/C++ used in webdevelopment occurs less than perl, and hasn't been for some time. C++ makes the programmer responsible for out putting every html take in with painstaking cout << "test"; statements using standard out in the main c libraries.

VB isn't used unless you want to create a Web part, which is a compiled DLL that handles everything in the same manner ....

[Pegasus]

The subject was discussed with the moderators quite a while ago, Erisco, Disturbed, and it was decided that there was no requirement for forums such as you request because we have so little call for them. Questions regarding *any* programming language can be asked in the "Server-side Programming" forum.

Peg

[-i-dont-know-]

I've seen a couple of questions regarding languages like that in The Lounge. IDK if there are enough programmers of those languages on the site to make it worthwhile though.

[erisco]

It was worth rooting for, at least :)

[Jutlander]

You will probably find that even though if the admins made a programming forum, not many would register to use it. This is because when you search for google on "html forums" this is the first one that pops up.

Programmers would search for something more relevant. That's my opinion anyway. :)

[afterburn]

i could answer some of the questions of each of the languages mostly VB but C++ isn't horible. but my C# is great.

[erisco]

Well as this thread has reached its doom as far as the original topic goes, may I ask, what is C from C+ from C++ from C#? I've always wanted to know.

[afterburn]

c+ is actually a syntax error ... and doesn't exist

c is pointers
c++ is multiple inherited objects
c# is no points and single inherited object

Knowing points is knowing computers the correct way to program. C# removes you from it, metabase programming. Know what metabase means in programming and you will understand IL, IL you will understand .net framework.

[Horus_Kol]

C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29) - the original incarnation of the C Programming Language Family - developed in the early 1970's as a mid-level language...

C++ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B) - 80's development of C, brought in classes...

C# (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp) - 21st century development of C, originally part of .NET

[erisco]

Aight, so C++ is incredibly old. Now afterburn, you brought on some new words to me such as pointers, and metabase.

Knowing points is knowing computers the correct way to program.
Error in my English parser near "computers the" ;) I don't understand what you mean :(

Now, I know C is much like PHP in syntax, so I thought it would be a great idea to try learning some of it. I know it is a much more complex language, and is really involved with complicated object possibilities. OOP is something I am still getting used to, letalone advanced in. However this to me seems the opportunity to learn.

Also, I know you can run C through a CGI bin. I also know C is microsoft technology, which doesn't bug me this time. Now I am really not going to like learning ASP .NET, but could learning C be a substitute for that? Would I lose or gain functionality with web-related projects?

Horus, you say C# is the 21st century. I have learned that newest isn't better, but that isn't always the case. Would it be worth learning C# over C++? What are the problems between supporting or using both versions?

Another question I have had. You open up NotePad, and there is a window laid out for you to use graphically. What languges have the capabilities of creating graphics on the screen? When you play a computer game, what language(s) are behind it? Or what could possibly be behind it? Could C# work this? If not, how do languages communicate among eachother?

A final question... C as I understand would be used for desktop applications rather than server side programming on webservers. What things are C used for the most? What is it capable of doing? Where can and can it not be used?

I know some of these questions are probably answered in the Wikis, but I cry for some relative explanations, and thanks in advance.

Or should I learn python or ror... java? I just want to learn another language that can do something apart from PHP. I have hunger for diversity in options, and two languages is better than one as much as two heads are better than one.

[Jutlander]

I know Battlefield is coded in C++ :D That's about it, hehe.

[afterburn]

Aight, so C++ is incredibly old. Now afterburn, you brought on some new words to me such as pointers, and metabase.


Error in my English parser near "computers the" ;) I don't understand what you mean :(
Knowing pointers, you will know the computer.


Now, I know C is much like PHP in syntax, so I thought it would be a great idea to try learning some of it. I know it is a much more complex language, and is really involved with complicated object possibilities. OOP is something I am still getting used to, letalone advanced in. However this to me seems the opportunity to learn.

[QUOTE=erisco;558968]
Also, I know you can run C through a CGI bin. I also know C is microsoft technology, which doesn't bug me this time. Now I am really not going to like learning ASP .NET, but could learning C be a substitute for that? Would I lose or gain functionality with web-related projects?

C, was developed so that users wouldn;t use assembly, and an C is not microsoft its platform independant only system calls are platform.



Horus, you say C# is the 21st century. I have learned that newest isn't better, but that isn't always the case. Would it be worth learning C# over C++? What are the problems between supporting or using both versions?

Another question I have had. You open up NotePad, and there is a window laid out for you to use graphically. What languges have the capabilities of creating graphics on the screen? When you play a computer game, what language(s) are behind it? Or what could possibly be behind it? Could C# work this? If not, how do languages communicate among eachother?

A final question... C as I understand would be used for desktop applications rather than server side programming on webservers. What things are C used for the most? What is it capable of doing? Where can and can it not be used?

I know some of these questions are probably answered in the Wikis, but I cry for some relative explanations, and thanks in advance.

Or should I learn python or ror... java? I just want to learn another language that can do something apart from PHP. I have hunger for diversity in options, and two languages is better than one as much as two heads are better than one.

Well python for the most part is deader than perl. and java is struggling to fix itself like C#.

C is rarely used for webdevelopment only C# which is different. C is used for programming games and programs without a framework. most programs are in c/C++.

[erisco]

Well that answers some questions. Where can I start learning C# online? Can I essentially do the same things in C# as C++?

[Horus_Kol]

Well python for the most part is deader than perl. and java is struggling to fix itself like C#.

C is rarely used for webdevelopment only C# which is different. C is used for programming games and programs without a framework. most programs are in c/C++.
interesting comment about Python - since I just bought a game (Civ 4) which uses Python as a method to allow very easy user mod's to be applied...

As for C/C++ vs. C# - yup, C# for web, C/C++ for programs.

[erisco]

But can C++ be used on the web and C# be used for programs? Is there a specific and unchangable difference between them?

[afterburn]

i will conceed that it isn;t completely dead but perl isn't either. However you will find that there are fewer than a dozen that you can name.

Perl is used for Unix/Linux administration tasks using cron.

[erisco]

Not complaining, but does anyone have answers to these?

- Where can I start learning C# online?
- Can I essentially do the same things in C# as C++? (AKA) Can C++ be used on the web and C# be used for programs?

I want to learn a programming language used outside of web development. I feel it will give me a whole new understanding of what is behind my browser... or the games I play, or the start menu on my windows desktop... or the FTP client I use. Sure, they don't all use the same language, but from knowing HTML and CSS and PHP I can quickly assess a situation in web development and judge upon it. Regardless if the site is done in ASP and javascript. If I know say C#, I could gain a general understanding for assessment of most other things on the computer. Right?

[afterburn]

C# with the MS.net framework can be used for anything programming related.

C++ no, still have the same issues and wasn't designed with that in mind. If you use the .net framework. Then with C++ then yes.,

[erisco]

So, may as well jump into C# to stay current. I have to talk in a few years down the road, given my age, before I can actually use this knowledge for profit.

So that leaves... where could I learn C#? Anything online? Could I buy a book? All I know is you have to compile it, unlike say javascript which uses an interpreter. Does compiling it turn it into binary or something? I never understood the exact reason behind that.

One error, and then it has to be recompiled again ;) I just hope it doesn't take as long as I've read here and there.

[afterburn]

not actually true. http://www.asp.net
http://www.microsoft.com/net
http://www.gomono.org
http://msdn.microsoft.com

C# is just as fast as any program that you have ever executed.
Depending on the OS you can target any processor that can execute the framework including BSD/Mac OSX, Windows. The compiler is platform independant and vendor indepentant.

[erisco]

Well then... I suppose the next step is to buy a book. If I was to learn some windows language, I would want it to be more universal than just web development. As I do spend a lot less time with windows. C# seems to be just that. Besides, the OOP experience will work for PHP as well. Kills two birds with one stone...

[scoutt]

Guys, any programming language like c# or VB can be asked in the software and hardware forum. I too can answer some questions on VB but nothing else. if c# is web related than ask in the asp /.net forum I suppose

[Disturbed]

Ah, okay thanks alot scoutt