how to get high ranking or at least get listed

[louisa]

Everyday I read about what is true and what is not about how search engines rank and how to get high positions. There is no
sure way to do t. They change the system each time we think we got the secrets. But still the more quality links that point to
your site the better. I don't think links within your own site count.
Have I been lucky or is it due to hard work and keeping up with things that I have managed to get over 1700 links to my site
according to market leap? I have held nr. one position on several major engines for a while now with my favorite keys word
free sreensavers. Why am I listed above others with the same keyword? Is it link popularity? Must be something. I have and
never will spend a penny on any kind of submission. I do it all myself manually. That is the only way. Resubmit after 3-4
months.
Marketleap offers you a way to see where you site is listed on 38 different engines. I tried it and I am nr 1 on 16 engines (
my keyword :free sreensavers ) altavista, aol, google, lycos, allthe web, looksmart to mention a few and listed on the first 3
pages of 23 engines. It go up and down day by day , but still I think it all comes down to this: There is no magic formula to get
high ranking, all it takes is dedication and a lot of hard work and time.
I don't know if I may post this link but I think many would like to see how they stand in link popularity and search engines. and
yes it's free.
What you also can do is use your domain name as keyword just to check if you are listed at all. The program generates a list of
all the engines with yes or no if you are listed besides it. Then you can simply click on the link to the engine you are not listed
on and submit your site on the spot.
If any one ever needs any advice or help just send me an e mail!
here is the link
http://www.marketleap.com/

hope this has been of some help
louisa

[montroze]

Here's a great link with many suggestions before submitting


http://www.spider-food.net/

[Paul]

Well like you said there is no true tricks for this. I never really spent much time submitting to search engines but I did set up many link trades. I now receive almost 1000 unique hits a day from search engines.
Thanks,
Paul

[louisa]

montroze thanks for the link. I must warn you that many of these link exchange programs can get you banned from search engines. I never use these. I find the best way is to go our and search for sites to place your link. Not the mass ffal pages, but the ones that remain on the site and are build by the owner. another way is guestbooks. Not many quality sites have guestbooks but those that do have will have your link showing for a very long time.
I am planning on making a link page on our site as well. To swap links with others. This way you get to choose who is listed on your site.
Like I said it takes work and time to build up a large amount of links.
Louisa

[Wabanaki Web]

Are you deliberately misspelling screensavers for your search? I did check and on google you are listed as number one for the search "free sreensavers" but why are you basing your ranking and hopes on websurfers who don't know how to spell? You aren't number one on the search "free screensavers", am I missing something here? Is sreensavers a real word and I'm the ignorant one?

[montroze]

Read this on another forum,

Found this posting that may be of interest to you and possibly others

Point 1 Traffic1.htm:

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There are three main search engines. We suggest you spend more
effort to get listed on these:

1) Yahoo - getting listed at Yahoo should be your primary goal.
This is the directory that started it all and is the most popular
and most used search engine.

2) Lycos - another big engine that uses a spider to index your site.

3) AltaVista - getting listed at AltaVista is not very difficult.
Getting a high listing requires good Meta Tags.

There are many more where your website should be listed, but
these three should be (and we hope are) your priority. A good
listing on any of these three will give you a good traffic boost.

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Yahoo is not a search engine. It is a directory that suppliments
it's SERP's with data from Google (commonly called Yahoogle or
Yahoo.Google. While Lycos does have a spider - they are fully
integrated with DMOZ and Fast/Alltheweb (meaning they use data
from them) It earns the title of search engine as it does have
spiders - but it does not rely on it's own spiders for the
majority of it's SERP data. AltaVista is still considered a major
engine - but it is steadily declining in importance. Their recent
attempts to restructure and revive may indeed be a benefit - but
it is rare that a site actually get's enough traffic from them to
be beneficial. - Again, NO mention of Google. You might want to
check this out [Stats on search engines/searchs per day]

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Meta tags

When you submit your site to a search engine that uses spiders,
the only thing they ask you for is your URL. That's because they
send a spider to crawl your site's Meta tags. That is why Meta
Tags are very important. Most people don't realize that. On the
next page you'll see what your Meta Tags should look like.

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I think not. Yes, you usually only submit your url because they
go grab the data from the page itself - but Meta tags are not all
they grab, not even the most important thing they grab. TEXT is
what they take - all the text from your site - this is used to
determine you placement and rank NOT meta tags.

quote:
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<HEAD>
<TITLE> Your website's title </TITLE>
<META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="keyword 1,keyword 2">
<META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="Description of your site">
<META NAME="OWNER" CONTENT="your email address">
<META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Your name" >
<META HTTP-EQUIV="EXPIRES" CONTENT=""> (Leave blank)
<META HTTP-EQUIV="CONTENT-LANGUAGE" CONTENT="English">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="VW96.OBJECT TYPE" CONTENT="Document">
<META NAME="RATING" CONTENT="General">(If you have an adult site,
write: Adult)

<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="">
<META NAME="REVISIT-AFTER" CONTENT="3 weeks">
</HEAD>
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"Expires" is useless - they could care less.. they visit your
site when they want.

"VW96" is a new one on me
"rating" should be gained by visiting the IRCA not determined
yourself

"revisit" is another useless tag

Here is another clue - you should make your meta specific to the
individual page not copy it across the board.

quote:
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Meta Tag Keywords

Keywords are the most important thing in the Meta Tags

You have a maximum of 255 characters.

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even AltaVista ignores this one now. Keywords are determined by
word usage on your page, character max varies per engine. I do
agree with your misspellings comment tho - but not just for the
tag - they need to be used on your page to count.

Alt tags are useful - when used wisely - this is something else
that is being spammed to death with keyword stuffing.. you should
also keep in mind that there is an internet community of blind
people that surf the web - their computers use these alt tags to
describe the image for this audience - do you really want to be
that rude?

Title stacking - Do not repeat it more than 3 times or it's spam
- try more than once. The rest are either ignored or penalized as
spam.

Hiding meta - as previously pointed out is a useless task. You
can't and you should not care - meta tags to not make a page.

Ok - almost choked on Page 5.. A splash page is GOOD! - Help me
here gang! 2 to 10 splash pages!!! OhKay. This would be a Doorway
page.. and 100% spam - infact this will get your site dumped out
of Google and AV's index faster than anything right now.

Page 6..

Exicte is Bankrupt.
Google updates every 28 days - you have a 2 week window to catch
the next update - people rarely make it - standard is 2 months
from submission

Yahoo is $299 now
About - what no ref to Sprinks??
Looksmart prices are wrong too.

One of the biggest mistakes you can make is using automated
software to submit to major se's (or attempt I should say) It is
impossible with AV and bannable by Google standards. While minor
engines may accept it - they really don't drive the kind of
traffic that business sites require.

[louisa]

you read right it is misspelled but it was done intentionally. There are more then you think that misspell this word. The web is
not just English speaking but world wide. And so this is one of the most misspelled words on the net next to articles. You wrote"
but why are you basing your ranking and hopes on websurfers who don't know how to spell?"
Like I said although most of the web is in English but it is not the
mother language off most of the world. Keep that in mind.
Yes I would love to get the ranked with the correct spelling but do you know how big the competition is there?
We have a zero budget so we can not spend money on advertising like many of the big sites can. So we must use what we
have.

As for keywords and meta tags, if you read our page on search engine tips you will see that it too has changed as we too are
changing our keywords.
What worked 6 months ago is now changed. It is all about search engine themes and we like many others must change our
ways to get and stay ranked.

At least our site is listed on every major search engine but Yahoo, but then we may not be in their directory but when you
search there you will be found when a search is performed using google. Sorry but I don't have the money to pay ANY search
engine to list us neither have we ever paid a penny for our listing.
.rinnando

[Wabanaki Web]

Have you tried using several different misspellings in your metatags then? I'm not so sure that people would leave out the c in misspelling screensavers just for phonetics reasons. They might misspell it screansavers though, and one misspelling I see alot is when there are double letters in a word they accidentally hit it three times, so you might also try screeensavers. It seems strange to me to use misspellings in your tags, but if it works for you, YOU GO GIRL! :D

[louisa]

Yes it does work for me and my biggest competitor is a German site that always
hangs around as well. Tweedy site or something.
Why they write it without the c beats me, haven't tried the other one yet but I will
look in to it. I live in Europe so I try to think of ways to write important keywords. I
have a few misspelled but sreensaver beats them all. Do wish I could get a higher
listing with screen saver but that's like a row boot against the Titanic. But who knows
when our site is revamped and up longer then maybe it will improve. This site is only
5 months old.
rinnando

[ashman]

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[Pegasus]

This thread is 5 years old. A good chunk of the information may no longer be valid.

Peg

[dastuff]

I laughed when I saw the three major search engines from this thread... How the times have changed ;)