will someone please kill flash

[fonzerelli_79]

Ill keep this short and sweet.

Is there anyone else out there getting annoyed with web sites with 5 minute flash intros.

sure its nice but what we want is text.


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[Unregistered]

flash intros look really nice (if its designed properly)...lol !!!!

although some sites keep intros a bit to long or use their whole site as flash, they always put a 'Skip intro' link ot a HTML version page

[JohnM]

I generally think flash intros are a bad idea. Usually when somebody goes to your site, they are going there for the content, and they dont want to wait 2 minutes to get it.

[whkoh]

They're not bad actually...you can skip it if you want

[fonzerelli_79]

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[jollyfactory]

Who really out there takes the time to wait for a flash intro to load?

[Unregistered]

I dont wait for them...unless I really need to see it.

fonzerelli_79 !!! that link to that intro was loooong...first it took a long time to load; second the intro was long; third there wasn't even a skip intro link.

[Dr. Web]

the flash was well done......but the problem, as everyone has said.....is the file size. Flash isn't a bad tool, but rather a abused one. People add so much interactivety and animation that the end result does not justify the means.
Lets look at a simpler 'flash' website. See how long this one takes to load, and what you think the overall appeal is:

www.eye4u.com

this one is at the other end of the spectrum. It has a skip button, began playing almost immediately on my 56k connection, and was very stimulating.

[whkoh]

Well, you really shouldn't have sites designed in all Flash. Some people don't want to install Flash or have slow computers and cannot enjoy the full capability of Flash.

[Unregistered]

Annoying, annoying, annoying.

Did I mention they're annoying?

[Dr. Web]

I know that there is a population that doesn't like flash.....yet there is still a strong market for well done flash pages. I wouldn't hold your breath and wait for flash to go away......Netscape and MSIE have been shipping the flash plug-in with their browsers....standard, since release 4.0. Its about the only thing Netscape and Microsoft agree on.

The best bet would be to help the flash designers do a better job.

In any event, web pages started in much the same trend. Everything was centered, with <blink> all over the place, and horribly annoying animated gifs littered the scene. Static pages have come a long way since those days, and you could expect the same improvements from flash. Don't just base all flash websites/ animations on those which are done poorly. You have to look at the technology as a whole.

[fonzerelli_79]

I agree with you but it still doesnt stop me being annoyed for the nest few years.

[eelectrick]

Flash realy is nothing more than Shockwave made easier, but someone has told the suits that they need an all-Flash website. This may be OK for the few here in Europe with high speed connections but I have seen enough absolutely unviewable Flash sites that I just skip the wholething if it has a flash splash page.This is very annoying if it as site you actually want info from.
The best uses of flash are when a movie is embedded into an html page to supplement the text so you get both the information you need and a good look.
I don't think its the designers fault themselves just the clients insist on having something that looks like something else they've seen before, and they dont; want to hear about things like download time etc.

[Dr. Web]

yes, sometimes we do what we want to do, the rest of the time we do what we are being paid to do.

Flash, just like HTML/ JavaScript/ CSS/ DHTML/ JAVA/etc can be used well/ abused/ used poorly/ or sometimes... useful.

[paegn]

i aggree with most of what's been said here, but my pet hate at the moment is the fact that so many of these big flash intros take so long because they use wav files.....
i'm using a laptop with a 33k modem in australia, and sorry, but i have neither the time nor inclination to wait around for poor quality wav files to downlaod... mp3's are much quicker even at high quality.
If people REALLY want to use music, why not break it up into 4 or 5 mp3 files that loop in the different scenes?
I aggree with dr. web, in that the technology is still young, and can only develop as we push the boundries...

Well, that's my 2 cent's worth...

[fonzerelli_79]

I agree with paegn.

There are so many people whos computers cannot cope with flash ie. 10 minutes to see the word welcome.

Dr Web is right - it can be used wisely and it is hear to stay.

Its just that more and more sites are using flash as an excuse to have no god damn content.

Call me old fashioned but i like to learn something from a site. If i want to watch a nice intro ill turn on the TV.

[htmlgirl]

I agree..............i like to see an intro using flash as this gives it a bit of interest to first seeing the site.........but cant stand all the flashers and stuff like that..........

htmlgirl............

[gatty]

i am on 56k......and flash realy pisses me off!!!!!
yeah sure, it's look good, and can be skipped......some can't, and if i am using two or more IE windows then it realy slows browsing.......let aloneif i am downloading!!
thanks
gatty

[paegn]

Some things i forgot to mention earlier:

I prefer small flash files to animated gifs any day... There's really no comparison...

also, flash seems to render a lot smoother than dhtml stuff, so i like flash menus aswell.

check this out for an example:

http://home.iprimus.com.au/paegn/sites/m_contents.html

[gatty]

yeah, that site is pretty cool!
but still slowed down a tad!
gatty

[Audionet1]

I am a novice to Flash and Web design, but the very first thing I was taught was keep the file sizes small and always provide navigation so a viewer can always exit a page. These giant academy award production type Flash intro's are really kind of ridiculous. I love Flash, but If i want to watch a movie that long.... I have cable ! And to not place a skip intro control somewhere is not a great idea at all !
Audionet1

[shutit]

hey im a flash designer and i think you can make things really sweet in flash intros cause for the people who are about to go into that site they kinda want to know what there gonna find befor they go searching around in that site and plus you can make some really bad ass site with flash

[shutit]

one more thing if your a flash designer and i really think that if your gonna build a site in flash dont forget the lowbandwidth people and give them a site its not hard to do so take your time and make two sites its easy so yah that should stop all these guys from complainin later