The WTC City?

[Jason]

Enable your flash, and head on over to:
http://www.wtc2002.com/

It is a full flash site with proposed plans for the new WTC, which in all rights is a city within itself. The plans call for a building 1750 ft high, which would be the tallest building in the world. Within this structure would be biospheres, rotating restaurants, apartments, penthouses, businesses, hotels, government offices, and international offices. In addition, the WTC memorial park which would surround the building (within the ground biosphere) would contain 2833 trees each marked with the name and a photograph of someone that was lost in the attack. The structure would also be equipped with may anti-terrorism security measures including:

The capacity at a specific frequency to repel flying objects up to a five mile circumference, internal security systems to detect and thwart any potential detonation issue, as well as numerous internal and external escape measures.

So I guess the big question is, what do you think of the new concept?

[Pegasus]

Sound waves are going to repel objects to a distance of 5 miles? The US has invented "shields" just like Star Trek and they haven't told anyone about it? Really?

They call it a "CyberCity" and, from what I've seen, that's about where it belongs. In cyberspace.

Besides, and this is just a personal opinion, mind you, I think it looks gross. It reminds me of the gantries they used for the old Apollo missions. Ick. In New York City? Okay, so the "Old Girl" isn't in her prime any more, but to add that kind of monstrosity and call it a "Memorial"? Sounds more like a "Here's a fashionable place so gimme your money or you're uncool" idea to me.

I like the idea of the park and that's it. They could plant the trees and ditch the rest. Why profane a memorial, a graveyard, if you will, with a hotel and residencial space? Cripes, talk about bloodsuckers!

Peg

[Ian]

EEK!:eek:
Not a pretty site!! Its nice to be different, and nice to build a memorial to remember such a tragic event, but that is WAY over the top. I'm sure they could come up with something that fits into the existing surroundings a little better. The fact that it will be the tallest building will once again make it a target to any radical group of nutters and so many people will be scared to work, live and visit it with the thought of some sort of attack. Why not just build something that fits in to the community that looks good and is safe.
Bigger does not mean better and it is just an "image/status" thing. I think they will have a problem filling it and it will become a liability. It will be a thorn sticking out of the big apple.

[Soulless]

VEry Interesting
I really don't have much to say
well back to surfing
:D :rocker: }:-) =:O :P

[Pegasus]

I'm sure they could come up with something that fits into the existing surroundings a little better.

That's what I thought, Ian. It's been years since I've been to NYC, but the one thing that always impressed me about it was the squareness, the symmetry. You could stand at one end of a street and look down toward the other end and the same pattern would be repeated all the way down the street.

I thought it was awesome. Sort of like being able to see like a fly does. Only linear, not radial.

And it would be taller than the old buildings, wouldn't it? A bigger target, for sure.

Thing is, someone seems to be forgetting one minor detail. While they are sort of rare, that area is on a fault line and prone to earthquakes. And fairly close to a second fault line. I'm not sure that I'd want to be in a building that high when Mother Nature decides to take a round out of our arrogance.

<shrug> But that's just me. ;)

Peg

[Savizzaviz]

God... It looks like something out of Sim City. Very out of place.

The Biosphere idea sounds the worst to me. That would just be stupid. Why would you need a biosphere in the middle of New York? Even more out of place.
I think I see where they would think that they have to plan for the future and keep the design as 'up-to-date' as possible, but come on... I highly doubt that any building in the future will look like that. That is what we think it will look like... It most likely wont be true. Just look at what the people in the sixties thought that 2001 would look like... Obviously nothing like it actually is.

Oh and I love this: "...or simply meditate in the tranquililty of the surroundings." It's New York... It is far from "Tranquil," or so I hear at least.

And this is good to: "The interior and features of these residences will be limited only by your own imagination." Trying to sell us stuff already... That is really sad. Profit is more important then creating a good memorial to 9/11. I guess it shows the priorities of America.

I just think that they are taking this a bit to fast... You cant just jump into designs like this... They have to slowly develop.

[SiteWorksPro]

Wow... Looks great. A bit to hi-tech for the other surrounding buildings, but it would be great to replace the WTC's with a new landmark.

[Jason]

Looks like I'm one of the few here that likes the concept. One of the main reasons that I'd like to see something like this accomplished is that it shows what the US will do when attacked -- build it better and stronger. Also, the twin towers were not just an American landmark, but an international landmark admired and appreciated all over the world. One of the new structure's goals is to take this to the next level by reaching out to other nations directly (I'm sure their checkbooks might be a factor in their desirability, but it really would redefine what a "World Trade Center" is).

As far as some the specific issues raised here:

Originally posted by Savizzaviz
The Biosphere idea sounds the worst to me. That would just be stupid. Why would you need a biosphere in the middle of New York? ... Oh and I love this: "...or simply meditate in the tranquililty of the surroundings." It's New York... It is far from "Tranquil," or so I hear at least."

I think this basically answers itself. Facts are facts, NYC does not have the cleanest environment on the planet, so a self contained and self sustaining biosphere with fresh air and clean green grounds could very well be a tranquil escape for the citizens of the city.

Originally posted by Savizzaviz

And this is good to: "The interior and features of these residences will be limited only by your own imagination." Trying to sell us stuff already... That is really sad. Profit is more important then creating a good memorial to 9/11. I guess it shows the priorities of America.


This is just another fact of life. NYC is overpopulated and overcrowded. Space is needed greatly, and much was lost in the disaster of 9/11. While I'm pretty sure if you took a world wide poll, the majority of the planet would agree that the ones lost in the attack need to be honored, but it would be difficult on the city to put a memorial and only a memorial in the place of towers. Currently, many offices are still displaced over the bridge in NJ, making a difficult commute for quite a few people (including some that I know personally). A building this large and complex would create millions of square feet for every type of business as well as recreation and tourism (which has been down in NYC since 9/11 as well).

As far as safety, there were many adequate measures, additionally there is a proposed 5 mile no-fly zone around the city, and I've heard that this building would be able to withstand the impact of a large jet as well.

It might be difficult for some to accept in the beginning, but looking 5 or 10 years down the road as healing continues, it could add greatly to the culture of the city.

[torrent]

I love it. :thumbup:
Give me something new to visit when I'm back in Manhatten (our head office is on Long Island).

[Savizzaviz]

I admit that the structure of the building with all of its amenities will be a great help to the city, but I still think that the design could be changed to appear to be less gaudy and more functional.

About the biosphere... I got that that was where the restaurants and shopping areas would be, not the memorial. If that is the case, it would most definitely not be tranquil in there or out of there. But if that is where they intend to put the Memorial and all of the trees, then yes, that would be a really nice place to relax after a hard days work in the busy city.

Originally posted by Jason
...it shows what the US will do when attacked -- build it better and stronger.
I think we showed more of what America will do by bombing the **** out of everyone. But also, if it takes an attack for America to build it better and stronger, then that is probably not a very good way to go. And this isn't the best example of this, seeing as they did not predict this type of event, but it does happen in other cases.

Originally posted by Jason
While I'm pretty sure if you took a world wide poll, the majority of the planet would agree that the ones lost in the attack need to be honored, but it would be difficult on the city to put a memorial and only a memorial in the place of towers.
And I understand that NYC is very over populated and I am in no way saying that they should not take advantage of this land and use it as economically and possible. I think a better way to create an economical memorial, if you will, would be to create a monument of some kind with names listed on then and some sort of saying. Then they can plant the trees in a more open and useable land near by, which would allow a more tranquil and grand memorial park.

[pixelmonkey]

well, the design is without a doubt stronger then the individual towers. the biodome needs some refinement, and as for "high speed elevators",... that's just asking for someone to jump at the top and hit their head. :D

ROUND IS STRONGER THEN SQUARE! Anyone with any type of a design background knows this. The construction of this type of a building shouldnt be seen as a blemish to the city by being round, but something more as an evoloution of design in NYC. (more will follow in time) "5 mile no fly zone", but helipads at 4 sides and 2 different levels?

now, lets talk about funding... sources from around the globe will invest in this, and contracts for construction will boost employment! sounds good to me! there is one more thing that should be considered... how much do you think Bill will give for the cause if this is approved?

cant base jump from the top floors without landing on the biodome!
chris<pixelmonkey>:monkey:

[Pegasus]

Hi, Chris!

Yes, I'm aware that round is a stronger design than square. Triangular is even better, or honeycomb, but we'll leave that for now.

I went back and looked at the images again and I've figured out what the proposed building reminds me of - a bomb. It looks like one of those bombs you see in the cartoons. You know, the kind that will blow up the world? <sigh> Okay, so I'm daft.

I did notice something else, too, with you mentioning the biosphere. If there's a fire in the building, how are the firetrucks going to get in close enough to the building to do any good? Mind you, at that height,there's not going to be much they can do for the people on the top floors anyway, but still...

Peg

[Savizzaviz]

That's a good point there, Pegasus. If there is a fire, though, I'm sure they will have some sort of sprinkler things set up to somewhat combate the flames but if the fire was way to out of control you would think that the whole thing would just burn down till where the firetrucks could reach it. I don't know, I'm sure they must have figured something out by now, with all of the extremely tall buildings.

Hey, by the way, Pegasus... are you apart of this Pegasus Web Technologies (http://www.pwebtech.com/)? It is not on your sites like page. I don't know why I care... I guess Pegasus is probably from some TV show or book that I haven't see or read.
And also, on your links page down in the Web & Computer Information Pages section you have:
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WebAIM - Web Accessibility in Mind </a></FONT></td>
And I bet you want:
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Just a few quote errors. I thought I would help.

[cfhosting]

I got a great damn idea. Build it exactly the way it was, with the memorial. Make it like it used to be. Let us get somewhat back to normal.

[justjeni]

I like it! I love the space-age look, but then I always was a bit different..

The only thing I sort of didn't like what that height again, but then I also understand in NY it's pretty much a necessity. That's going to cost one heck of a lot of money, too. they sure covered all the bases, though.

I got a great damn idea. Build it exactly the way it was, with the memorial. Make it like it used to be. Let us get somewhat back to normal.

On the flip side, that's not altogether a bad idea either!

[Savizzaviz]

I agree, somewhat. I think the old towers look would be much better, but "getting back to normal" will probably never happen. I like the old design a lot, but obviously there where some structual problems which would need to be fixed.
I am more infavor of a new design, though, seeing as it would be kind of eirie to have the exact same towers standing there once again. I think they could do much better then what they are planning.

[Pegasus]

Originally posted by Savizzaviz
Hey, by the way, Pegasus... are you apart of this Pegasus Web Technologies (http://www.pwebtech.com/)? It is not on your sites like page. I don't know why I care... I guess Pegasus is probably from some TV show or book that I haven't see or read.
And also, on your links page down in the Web & Computer Information Pages section you have:
<td width="33%" valign="top" align="center" height="20">
<FONT FACE="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" SIZE="-1">
<a href="http://www.macromedia.com/>www.macromedia.com</A>
<p><A HREF="http://www.webaim.org TARGET="_blank"">
WebAIM - Web Accessibility in Mind </a></FONT></td>
And I bet you want:
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WebAIM - Web Accessibility in Mind </a></FONT></td>
*lol* Thanks, Savi. I hadn't noticed that. It must have happened when I was moving some of the links around. I'll get it fixed.

As for being part of the Pegasus Web Technologies, no I'm not. I'm not sure how they came up with their name, but mine stems from my collection of fantasy creatures. I didn't think it too smart (more smarta$$, actually) to call myself a "wizard" when I first got on-line, and "unicorn" didn't quite sound right. So I picked "Pegasus". I've only had the name for about 4 years now.

I've seen their site. They have a couple, I think. Pegasus.com, Pegasusdesign.com and a few others. *g* I'm "Peg-as-is" 'Cause that's how you have to take me. <shrug> Sorta like buying a second-hand car. ;)

Peg

[Savizzaviz]

Originally posted by Pegasus
I've seen their site. They have a couple, I think. Pegasus.com, Pegasusdesign.com and a few others. *g* I'm "Peg-as-is" 'Cause that's how you have to take me. <shrug> Sorta like buying a second-hand car. ;)
Yeah, I know how that is... I had to get wackiness.org because some guy bought wackiness.com so that he can sell it for more is my guess... I wouldn't mind if he were to use it for something but it is just sitting there, unused. And i'm sure he wants more for it then my hosting costs. :rolleyes:

[Pegasus]

Oh, I don't mind. I could have gotten the .ca version, but... <shrug>

Turns out, I don't own the name anyway. <sigh> I didn't check to see who the name was registered under until recently. Apparently, it now belongs to "BulkRegistry". I'm not that attached to the name, so I'm not too worried about it.

However, if it should come to pass that I *have* to have the site *and the name* registered entirely in my name, I'll be looking elsewhere for a host. This will do for now.

Peg

[fredricknish]

Sounds good..........But it would be a good idea to build it after Mr Bin Laden and his friends are caught or killed :D

[Horus_Kol]

The building:

I quite like it. Better than some of the stuff they are building in London anyway (see the attachment).


The site itself:
I have to say this, but that music just plain gives me the creeps - is it necessary?

[Savizzaviz]

Originally posted by Horus_Kol
(see the attachment)

Gah! That looks like some strange huge beatle. Hmm... And I always thought of Brittan as having really cool buildings.