MS Front page 2000

[Doni FN]

How do you all rate this product? I recently purchased it for my girlfriend. Do you think its a good learning program for her (a beginner).

Fill me in on your likes or dislikes about this program I have yet to take the dive and mess around with it.

Doni

[Isaac]

Here we go again, nothing like a good old editor war huh?

Please don't start me on FP2k Doni, I think that if your girlfriend wants to be any kind of a good web designer then you should teach her notepad and ftp. If she learns the basics of HTML, JS, and maybe some gfx design first, then plays with FP she won't get burned.

I was introduced to the world of web design it self for the first time really with Front page. It's a good program, it's just that there are so many things that can mess up someone who dosen't know squat about how the code works.

That's my 50 lire :)



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[whkoh]

Issac's right. Your girlfriend shouldn't play with FP, especially is she's a begineer next time, she might need to hand-write HTML and it'll be hard for her to start, like me, I started off with FP a couple of years back, and had to learn HTML all over again. Good old notepad is best :D

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[Dr. Web]

Personally I hate frontpage and notepad. Hers why:
Frontpage makes pages for IE, after all its a microsoft product. The same pages will not render correctly in Netscape. If she wants to design for fun, not for profit, give her dreamweaver.

If she's making pages for profit, go for Allaire homesite, its not really a WYSIWYG editor, but it color codes your programming...tables become green, style sheets pink, reg text black, javascript red and so on. Its a much better way to code, and it has lots of functionality included. Its a good place to sit down, and hammer out some code.

Notepad........use it if you have nothing else, but only then- I mean really...work smart!

[Doni FN]

From my point of view notepad is of course number one, But as far as she goes i havent the time to spend hours teaching her the syntax and she will probably get bored and give after a few months anyway. I feel i wasted the money on frontpage anyway good thing its tax deductable.

I opened up the program for about 5 minutes then uninstalled it, but she still tries to mess with it some on her puter.

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[deegee]

For those that might like a "homesite-like" product for free, with the simplicity of Notepad, try EZ Pad, a great HTML editor from Iceland. It has a self-contained browser and has wizards for those that don't know how to construct tables, forms, etc. It's available from any of the freeware/shareware sites.

[TheKman]

I started by learning how to hand code. Once i got that down I began using an editor (FP97 now use FP2K. I like the WYSIWYG functionality. However, I NEVER use the features that only work in Microsoft. Stay away from the borders, themes webbot forms etc. I just got Dreamweaver 4 and am starting to use it a little. My only problem there is that I am so used to FP. You always need to know how to hand code. Sometimes you have to get in the code and make changes.

[tony10]

I HATE FRONTPAGE! MAN, THEY SCREW UP WEB FORMS SO BAD.
I prefer notpad and dreamweaver. Although i do prefer frontpage extensions because they can be used by all windows ME/2000 compliant HTML editors! :)

[eformsolutions]

Hi everyone!

My vote goes to FrontPage. I started by NotePad hard coding, and after some I found FP97 - I love it. I use almost all of the WYSIWYG editors available in the market, CoffeeCup HTML Editor, IstPage, ManooHTML Editor, EzPad, NotePad,Dearmweavr, Allaire homesite, Trilex. FrontPage2000 is the best one. For forms I prefer Java scripts to play with.

All in whole Front Page 2000 is the best.

[natedeia]

I started from a book, but actually did all my practice in a free Geocities web page, in their note pad. After learning HTML by hand, Front Page 2000 was great, but Dreamweaver 4 rocks.

WHAT DO PEOPLE OUT THERE THINK ABOUT FIREWORKS 4.0?

[Dr. Web]

frontpage codes for MICROSOFT not for netscape. If you want your pages to render in Netscape, don't even bother with FR2000.

I think that fireworks can be a good tool, but...
too many people add a zillion images to their site when using the dramweaver/ fireworks combo...
then they are asking....why does my page take so long to load. For this reason I don't like it.

[Option1]

Ummm, hate to disagree with you Dr. Web, but while FP2000 is an MS product it doesn't do a bad job of cross-browser compatible pages. Although, I'll admit that it can depend on how complex you want your pages to be.

Personally, I use Notepad or Homesite, then if I'm feeling lazy I'll use either Dreamweaver or FP2000. In fact, I'll often do tables in FP2000 simply because it's so easy and if you grew up using MS Word then playing with tables in FP is even easier.

I think the end result is there is no perfect editor, and even hand-coding isn't always perfect. Sometimes there's the need for speed that can be best met by using FP or Dreamweaver.

Anyway, learning HTML first is probably the best idea.

Either way, whatever method you use for constructing pages you still have to test in all the browsers and all the resolutions (and if you can, all the platforms) that you expect your users to be ...umm...well...using. :)

[Dr. Web]

Originally posted by Option1
Ummm, hate to disagree with you Dr. Web, but while FP2000 is an MS product it doesn't do a bad job of cross-browser compatible pages. Although, I'll admit that it can depend on how complex you want your pages to be.

The beginners must be expecting quite a lot from FP2000 then! We do quite a bit of page debug/ cross browser layout for pages written in FP that wont render in Netscape.

Also, FP uses vbscript for its client side scripting language... a scripting language that is supported by IE(microsoft)... not netscape.

(Javascript is universally accepted as a client side scripting language.)

[natedeia]

Well there are alot of people that create an interest in web design all by themselves. Believe that? To become familar with HTML and screwing around with it is not a terrible idea. To become a professional and use Front Page is a different story.