PDA

View Full Version : AOL Sues Microsoft Over Browser


Dr. Web
01-22-2002, 08:06 PM
AOL Sues Microsoft Over Browser
By D. IAN HOPPER

WASHINGTON (AP) - AOL Time Warner sued Microsoft in federal court Tuesday seeking damages for harm done to AOL's Netscape Internet browser, which had ruled computer desktops until Microsoft began giving its competing browser away.

Many of Microsoft's business practices, including ones in which the company encouraged computer manufacturers and Internet providers to distribute its Web browser instead of Netscape, were found to be anticompetitive by a federal appeals court last year. AOL, which bought Netscape in 1999, wants Microsoft to cease its contested business practices and pay damages.

AOL executive John Buckley noted that court ruling and said, ``This action is an attempt to get justice in this matter.''

Jim Desler, a Microsoft spokesman, said the company had no immediate comment.

AOL filed the lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Under federal law, AOL would be entitled to triple any actual damages found by the court.

The company also asked for an immediate injunction against ``ongoing and further damage'' involving the Netscape Navigator browser, Buckley said.

One possible option, if a judge ruled in favor of AOL, would be to force Microsoft to sell a stripped-down version of its Windows operating system so computer manufacturers could choose which Internet browser to offer. That has also been requested by nine state attorneys general suing Microsoft in federal court.

The federal government and nine other states settled their landmark antitrust suit with Microsoft last year, and that settlement is under consideration by a federal judge. AOL has been a longtime critic of Microsoft and has talked frequently with prosecutors throughout the case.

U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson, who heard the federal government's case against Microsoft in the Netscape matter, found that Microsoft tried to keep consumers from being able to choose Netscape. The appeals court affirmed many of Jackson's decisions.

Microsoft's business practices ``help keep usage of Navigator below the critical level necessary for Navigator or any other rival to pose a real threat to Microsoft's monopoly,'' the appeals court wrote last year.

University of Baltimore law professor Bob Lande said of AOL and its lawsuit: ``This is a company that obviously can afford it, and wouldn't take the step lightly.''

``I think they've got an excellent chance of success given that the government has established the facts and established that Microsoft has broken the law,'' he said.

A judge would still have the challenge of choosing a remedy that would restore competition to the Internet browser market. Netscape has less than 20 percent of the Internet browser market, compared to more than 70 percent in 1995.

``You can't literally put the market back in the competitive position it was in, so you'd have to think of a forward-looking remedy to help restore competition in the market as best as possible,'' Lande said.

Shares of AOL were down $1.18, or 3.9 percent, to $28.80 in trading on the New York Stock Exchange, but gained back 14 cents in extended trading. Shares of Microsoft were down $1.64, or 2.4 percent, to $64.46 on the Nasdaq Stock Exchange, before gaining 2 cents in extended trading.

On the Net:

AOL Time Warner: www.aol.com

Microsoft: www.microsoft.com

Android
01-22-2002, 09:01 PM
As so often happens the only ones who really stand to gain are the lawyers, and the only ones who really stand to lose are the consumers.

I'm neither for nor against either side, but it's going to be an interesting fight. A few points:

1. I didn't see Microsoft stuffing mailboxes with CD-ROMs promoting an obscene amount of online time along with a copy of a competing browser.

2. Why wasn't the issue raised a long time ago. AT&T had a monopoly for decades until somebody decided that it wasn't fair, and competition is good for the consumer. Did politicians and lawmakers not see this coming?

3. I for one would love to see a stripped down version of Microsoft's OS (and applications, for that matter). I'd be willing to pay for the bare operating system, a couple of utilities, the applications I need (without all the tutorials and grammar and spell checkers, etc.) They could market a full blown bells and whistles OS and have a decent market, but I'll take a crash proof OS that occupies one third of the drivespace.

4. What does it mean by ``You can't literally put the market back in the competitive position it was in, so you'd have to think of a forward-looking remedy to help restore competition in the market as best as possible,''
They did it to AT&T. There used to be alot of regional companies until regulators did there thing and created a monopoly .

There's more, but I gotta watch "24" now.

GREGO
01-22-2002, 10:26 PM
which just goes to show you that aol is only in it for the money!

Dont they get it? IE is 100 X better than netscape! I think the only reason netscap was made was to give webmasters a hard time! If any Aol Officials out there read this, know this:

1 Aol Sucks and so does netscape!
2 every company you buy either sucks or will suck when you buy it.

3 Microsoft should sue you. you cant copyright a idea losers or else the cereal companys would be going at each other!

scoutt
01-22-2002, 10:36 PM
actually I don't blame M$. for the fact the since AOL bought Netscape the browser went down hill. if AOL made mass improvements "like control css better" and stuck with the strict coding then maybe it might have a chance. but they seem to update the browser they forget to add the important stuff that us webmasters must have to make a succesful website. AOL's own fault. you don't see M$ making a stink about AOL's free cd's (I'm mean coasters) :D lol

quietstorm
01-23-2002, 01:00 AM
AOL's own tiwisted version of it: http://media.aoltimewarner.com/media/press_view.cfm?release_num=55252406 .

Notice the nice words used to desribe Netscape ("innovative," "catalyst," "widely credited with having [popularized the internet to consumers]," etc., etc., etc.).

Tom
01-23-2002, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by scoutt
mass improvements "like control css better" :D lol


:supereek: Netscape now supports CSS????????... why wasn't I informed :D

Tenillecanille
01-27-2003, 03:42 PM
I'm usually toward the microsoft. I mean I heard of netscape but the buisness with microsoft is somewhat a monopoly because of the nature of its services.How ever I wouldnt mind downloading the netscape navigator to check it out and see if its that much diffrent.Internet explorer is pretty-much stable Yet if microsoft has broken the law I support the law. :cool:

JGAC
01-27-2003, 05:19 PM
It seams that M$ is getting into trouble a lot these days.

But I wouldn't call AOL's lawsuit stupid. What M$ is doing is lessening there competition and soon whereout will have a bigger monopoly than ever.

Sure there are many browsers out there, but IE is the one that seems to be most widely used.

I would like to see what happens with this case since its goign to affect the stockmarket slightly or more and even affect m$

Also, AOL does suck. If I was new to the internet (laughs) I would want to go somewhere that gives me all the options right then and there. It has everything you could want when it loads up. Anything from Movie reviews to the shopping departments.

Theres even AOL broadband (so you cant say it isnt slow)

Now Im not defending AOL but I am just saying that it isnt too bad if your new. Trust me, I was once an AOL user but transfered over when I wanted faster.

scoutt
01-27-2003, 05:26 PM
I installed AOHELLL8.0 on a clients computer a month ago and 27 popups came up right at login. I will never again install it

JGAC
01-27-2003, 10:09 PM
ahahahah

AOLHell 8.0

I have this hilarious video that Im goign to post on my website. Ill post the link so you all can watch when it is up.

Its all about the bashing of AOL

Arctic Dragon
01-27-2003, 10:17 PM
Boohoo... Microsoft took away Netscape's market share by building a superior (IMO) browser... lawsuit!
:rolleyes:

Since this is an old topic, what happened with the court case?

JGAC
01-27-2003, 10:21 PM
So what if they build a better product.

Companies always compete for competition by coming out with more gizmos attached to programs.

So are you saying that Ford should sue Chevy because it came out with a better car?

ByteWizard
01-27-2003, 10:29 PM
A Couple of comments:

I installed AOHELLL8.0 on a clients computer a month ago and 27 popups came up right at login. I will never again install it

And the sad part is that once you are infected with an AOL modified version of IE, I have not found any way to rid your machine of the AOL browser. You can re-install the same or newer version of IE and something (probably in the registry) tells IE that it is a "custom" version and you get the same crap in the new version.

I have the latest versions of IE, Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera to cross test Web Sites I develop. After using all of them for a while, I found Netscape far superior. IE is the worst for following CSS standards. Far too many people have IE 5.5 and this debacle will mangle a good CSS site.